#sth black death

[ohnothehedgepog]

[galaxylover06]

Dear Tumblr, today I'd like to present to you. Death leech Shadow.

[bestjeanistmonster]

Dc au- i avoided doing my homework to draw boys kissing instead

I don’t rlly like this one but eh might as well post it

(This one was in my tumblr drafts for AGES lol)

[wraith-caller]

My totally unfounded hopes regarding Messmer:

He's not a heretic, he's a fanatic. Maybe he's even part of the reason snake and flame and dragon communion are blasphemy, because he used them all in such extremist acts. He talks to "mother", presumably Marika at this point, as though he's disappointed in her decision to allow Tarnished to rule. And someone(it may be Messmer but idk if the voices are the same, I'm bad at that haha) specifies "Those stripped of gold shall meet death in the embrace of Messmer's flame." If Messmer was especially hateful of the Order, why target Tarnished, who often choose not to ally with it as seen in the recusants and the bloody fingers? One is supposed to become lord, and if you want the Order to remain lordless, then sure it makes sense to kill as many as you can. But there's a preoccupation with the LACK of grace and gold, not a distaste for gold itself. I think that he's disappointed in Marika's decision to give the graceless lordship over the Order, that he's sort of a purist who sees this act, and maybe others Marika has committed, as heresy. We know she sought to examine her faith based on echoes from Melina. ("I declare mine intent, to search the depths of the Golden Order. Through understanding of the proper way, our faith, our grace, is increased. Those blissful early days of blind belief are long past. My comrades; why must ye falter?") This kind of questioning would be seen as absurd and even harmful to a fanatic. What need is there to examine anything, if you are so fervently sure the ones you follow are right?

We have every flavor of blasphemy and anti-GO sentiment already in the form of the other demigod children, save Morgott, accepting and revering the Order and Erdtree for what it is. So it'd be an interesting addition to this group to see someone on the opposite end of the heresy spectrum, someone so fervently devoted to the Order that he's decided even the one in charge doesn't know what she's talking about. Similar to the way extremists in any religion or political group may branch off and decide the person in power is getting it all wrong, that they aren't harsh enough(which is really saying something given Marika's, uh, proclivities), Messmer is fed up with what he begins to see as heresy from Marika and goes full tilt fanatic.

Some other interesting notes that help support this reading are kind of little and probably a reach but hey this is all based on nothing anyway so why stop now? There's a similarity between the confessor's insignia and Messmer's spear(saw it in this twitter thread). Confessors are Tarnished who hunt down other Tarnished that have strayed from the righteous path. Given they're Tarnished, Messmer is unlikely to care much for them, but the preoccupation with the integrity of one's faith and the role of executioner would be the points of intersection between these two.

There's also this, which supports the idea of Messmer as a fervent executioner, something noticed by this twitter user. The spears in Messmer's arena align quite well with whatever the giants have been impaled with.

Of course, this is all based on like ten seconds of character info from a 3 minute trailer, and it'll all likely be dashed to pieces with the next little breadcrumb we're given. Still fun to pretend I know what I'm doing in the meanwhile!!

[less-undertale]

Shadow is easily manipulated

Shadow is easily manipulated, yes. But there's a reason behind why. Multiple reasons, actually.

MY PAST IS MY WEAKNESS: Shadow is usually manipulated with the promise of revealing his past, or his truth. Though he's gotten better at finding lies over the past few years, he DOES still get manipulated by promises of finding himself once more. (Some use specifically picked out words and times to say to him.)

Black doom speaking to shadow in SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG 2005

2. I don't want to remember that!: Shadow also gets manipulated by his BLACK ARMS past and his creation in general, though. This is different from FINDING his past, because he doesn't WANT to remember it. When told he was created for a specific reason, or told about something about the world in general, Black arms blood, you name it. It breaks him down mentally.

Eclipse and Black Death mentally abusing Shadow.

Thats most of the reasons i could find, if you have any other reasons, please put them in the ask's box and I'll answer them.

Thanks for reading.

[feedtheswamp]

[wormshrimp]

the boys when they were hoglets !!! so little and cute… i’ve got lots of headcanons for them if anyone is interested lol

[marionedde]

welp teehehe

new au: Doom Siblings

shadow is captured and brought towards the "loving embrace" of his father, attempting to rebuild a family. he is introduced to his siblings, the most evolved and modified black arms.

SHADOW- captured and brought to the comet. he/him

BIOLIZARD- remains found and modified from after the ARK incident. she/it

ECLIPSE- black doom's favorite child. he/she

REAPER- a black oak. despite their four legs going in opposite directions, they easily move with speed. they/he

MARIA- XXXX

MOURNING GLORY- Second to youngest. likes plants and bugs. she/they

VANTABLACK- youngest, still and infant. voracious appetite.

UNPICTURED:

BLACK DOOM- Dad :)

BLACK DEATH- Weird uncle tm

[totaleclipse573]

Thinking rn about how Terios was raised and grew up on the Black Comet I’ll talk in the tags

[theesensory0verlord]

some shadow and black doom doodles that will remain unfinished

but GOD i can’t describe how obsessed i am with the black arms and the colony ARK I COULD TALK ABOUT THEM FOR HOURRRRRSSSSS

[eclipsethedarklingiscanon]

Yesterday I was so tired that I forgot to post it here xd

Now I can call myself Eclipse fan again

[ohnothehedgepog]

Headcanon: The Black Arms either sleep next to one another, on top of each other, or if they have to sleep alone, in small enclosed spaces for safety instincts. When Eclipse is with his dad (Black Death), he'll sleep on his stomach curled up like a cat. Whenever Eclipse stays over at Shadow and Rouge's place, they wouldn't let him sleep in the bed with them for some reason, and he was especially upset that an Earthling like Rouge gets to sleep near Shadow before he can (Shadow tells him its a special case). They offered him a guest room, but after finding the bed too open and vulnerable, he'll either sneak onto the foot of their bed after they've fallen asleep, or he'll crawl into the cupboards, only to be woken up in the morning by Shadow opening it and demanding he give him his coffee and get out of there.

[whymustyouhurtmeinthisway]

Sonic fans, I have but one question for you

[xerozero87]

saw an article this afternoon titled ‘sonic the hedgehog fans want to see maria die in the third movie’ and you know what? yeah, a lot of us do, and for good reason.

one of the most important things about maria’s death is that it’s not just a death for the sake of death. she doesn’t die for no reason. her death makes sense within the canon of sa2 as a self contained story. even if shadow actually died at the end of that game like originally planned and we never got to see more of his backstory, never got a more fleshed out past for him, maria’s death would still make sense. it doesn’t come out of nowhere and have no actual impact on the characters or story like a lot of other side character deaths.

maria’s death shapes shadow as a character in sa2 and shadow the hedgehog 2005, it causes him to make the decisions he makes, gives him his motives, his drive, his worldview. shadow may have been physically made in a lab by gerald robotnik and black doom, but he was built and shaped emotionally and mentally by maria and her death. he has the opinions he has about the world and humanity because of maria’s death at the hands of the gun soldiers, and he takes certain actions because of those views. he saves rouge in sa2 because he couldn’t save maria, at the end of the same game he sacrifices himself for the safety of the planet and the life on it because of the promise he made to her before she died.

maria’s death isn’t just important to shadow’s character and story either, it contributes to more within the full canon of the franchise. it’s because of maria’s death that gerald robotnik makes the ark head towards the planet so that, even beyond the grave, he can have his revenge, he can avenge his granddaughter. it’s because of maria’s death that shadow is able to change his opinions and views later on, in spite of his trauma and history, and can work with sonic to defeat the biolizard and help save the world. not to mention, it’s because of maria that shadow exists in the first place, it wouldn’t make sense to end their story together without actually seeing her die.

most fans probably haven’t seen maria actually die anyway. sure, they may have seen the original animation planned for shadow the hedgehog 2005, or the censored static version in the final game, or may have seen the scene in sa2 (I believe) where she sends shadow to earth, but for the most part, fans have not seen maria’s actual death, only the moments before. in recent years, it’s become a rule of storytelling that viewers shouldn’t believe a character is dead until they see a body or the moment the character dies. if they really want to send the message that maria is dead, that people do get affected by things that happen in the sonic franchise story, if they want this to hit as hard as it should, then fans need to see that maria is dead without a doubt.

in other vein, the sonic movies are to reignite old love for the franchise and to introduce younger people to sonic. these younger and newer fans aren’t likely to know the full story of the games if they’re just being introduced to sonic now. they deserve to know the full story the same as the game fans do, even if the timeline has become incredibly convoluted and it’s difficult to tell just what games, comic series, etc. are canon, and considering that (at least as far as I know) the movies are reasonably close to game canon while tweaking some things appropriately for the different setting (ie., introducing tom, maddie, wade, stone, etc. and making them actual, at least semi-important characters, changing robotnik’s motives in the first movie, stuff like that), so it wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to suddenly divert from something so important in game canon.

personally, I’m also part of the camp who want to see shadow portrayed the way he was back in sa2, not his more recent characterisation. since the second movie treated knuckles with the respect that sega has lacked for a while, and showed him more in line with his original portrayal - naive and misplacing his trust in robotnik, a proud warrior who knows what he’s doing for the most part, a character with his own responsibilities and drive and trauma, someone with an actual personality who isn’t just there to be the comedic punching bag - it isn’t too much to ask for shadow to be treated the same, is it? sure, he was never the most kind character in the franchise, but he also wasn’t originally just the edgy asshole of the group who didn’t actually like anyone. his friendships meant a lot to him back then, with maria and later with rouge and omega. we want to see shadow have actual emotions, real motives, and showing maria’s death as it happened instead of censoring it too heavily or cutting away so we don’t see it at all would remove any possibility of that.

shadow himself is such an important character in the sonic franchise canon. not including his main drive and motive, not fully telling his story and fleshing him out properly like everyone else in the movies, would not only make no sense, but would also be a huge slap in the face for shadow and his fans.

there are some brilliant videos out there that talk about shadow’s character, motives, development, etc. in more detail and better than I could, so I’ll be leaving a couple here for anyone who’s interested.

tl;dr: shadow’s story hinges on maria’s death, and if we don’t actually get to see that happen, then the third movie and shadow’s involvement in it will not have as much of an effect as they should. shadow deserves the same respect the other established sonic characters got.

thank you to anyone who read this. I’m sorry if it’s way too long, if there are a bunch of typos, if it loops a whole bunch or drives points until they become redundant, I’m typing this in a bit of a rush just because I want to get it out there and empty out all my thoughts on this so I don’t forget many. if I did miss anything, feel free to add it on. thank you again. have a good day.

[ultsnailfan]

i love everything about the sonic franchise. i love the comics, the music, the characters, i even love it’s inconsistent writing and wacky timelines but i can’t for the life of me play of the fucking games. i always get D scores <3

[roxannepolice]

This is so true, but I think there is also a level at which the declared non-interference (and I think the non-interference is a major thing, even the fact they keep their interferences hidden already says a lot) of the Time Lords just... rubs both the Master and the Doctor the wrong way, except in different ways.

I ranted about the power issue at the heart of Doctor-Master dialectic some time ago and I guess I'm still stuck on it. The good ol'd sentence of Knowledge is power (France is bacon!) is usually taken in the sense of how through knowledge a human acheives control of the rest of the world (harnessing the power of Sun to charge my phone so I can watch gay aliens) or how through manipulating what other people know one can control their beliefs (Foucalt speaking). But there's more. This is more of a theoretical situation for humans, bot precisely the kind of thing scifi should explore. There is the point where it is impossible to escape power if enough knowledge is gained. Suppose if you know everything that ever was or ever could be - doesn't all of this become your resposibility? My OCD aside, but if I know there's a volcano about to explode, don't I also express my power in NOT acting to prevent it or at least save everyone in its vicinity? There is a pilatism to the TL non-interference (something something The Master and Margarita and Pilate as the metaphor of everyone who just wants a normal life in abnormal circumstances). And yet could it be any other way? Can I, a random TL, a being of near perfect knowledge of past and future but still a slave to my opinions and passions, decide how to shape all histories?

Something something me being an actual random human being shaped by ethics tacitly or not relying on the existence of an Entity which is omnipowerful omnipresent omniscient and omniLOVING that lets all of human atrocities take place something something the same limitation applies to BBC writers.

But that's precisely the moral dilemma of the character of the Doctor - they do have deep compassion for every being, yet they still have to decide to act - or not - to shape capital H history. Seeing the universe, not ruling it, but you are always confronted with the knowledge not just of the events, but of the FEELINGS of everyone involved in them, is bound to lead to this thought experiment omniLOVE of compassion. Yet is this not a defiance of individual will? Is this not the whole point of Adelaide Brooke killing herself to defy the Time Lord Victorious, who thought he can just save one very historically important life (purely out of compassion!) and harness a civilization's future (purely because he knows his actions' consequences)?

The Master is once again the reverse of the Doctor's stance, not its negation. Yes, they are more incultured into the TL society (sth sth John Smith being a conformist and Yana being a helpful genius), yet is not the very rejection of the power inherent in near omniscience a hipocrisy (the price the Doctor keeps paying for avoiding the pilatism)? If one is raised in the ongoing awareness of all pasts and futures is not the rejection of control of it an abomination against nature (keep in mind the Master watched the TL try to end all of the universe and was like let me ascend into harmony of the spheres or wtv)?

The answer is: NO! It IS possible to help people without superimposing yoru will on them, even if you do have the knowledge of all of these very peoples' histories. But that would require viewing the universe as composed of so much more than just power relations. Which is so so hard when your counterpoint follows the compassionate route. Or when you do follow the compassionate route but your conterpoint is gone.

do love stuff that demonstrates that the master is waaay more in line with the whole gallifreyan ethos than the doctor. he like, just fits on gallifrey, you know? even his desire for control, his love of pomp and ceremony, his ambivalence edging to cruelty towards the suffering of lesser species, his conviction that things are owed to him through birthright — aren't those all just aspects of a good time lord? i like to think he could've easily stayed on gallifrey, had a truly successful and lauded life there, if something hadn't happened. and, yes, as a child, he dreamed of escape with the doctor, of seeing every star in the universe together — but was that really about leaving gallifrey to him, or being by the doctor's side? in a reality where the doctor never left gallifrey, the master wouldn't have. in a way, he sacrificed his whole rightful life for the doctor.